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stat
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posted 10-29-2007 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat     Edit/Delete Message
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I think an interesting topic of discussion would be "polygraph examiner tipping points"---a philosophical shift mechanism that occurs in people that decide to ignore merits and objectives of polygraph and (as Ray once said) "cross over to the dark side." Damnit I'm always a sucker for a Star Wars reference. What does it take? What are the symptoms of near onset? What is the perfect scenario for a tipping point and/or primary motivation. Is it the science---or lack thereof in some areas, or is it ethical backlash from countless psych set "mechanisms"---or is it that over years of (again to quote Ray Nelson)the constant act of "laying bad news on people" that makes for a psychological decompensation? It is an interesting phenomena.Why do so many examiners seem to abuse alcohol? Why do so many examiners appear to be in such poor health? Why do so many examiners seem to have strong food addictions ---"it's what doctor's call a weight problem"- Chris Farley.To attend a seminar, one sees and hears a lot of very unhealthy individuals. I am no picture of health, but everyone tells me in the 3.5 weeks of not testing I am a much better looking and nicer fella. I'll cut and paste this topic to new thread later.

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rnelson
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posted 10-29-2007 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
Wow.

Complex and scary topic there, stat.

For sure, alcohol and food problems are not unique to polygraph, and we don't really know about their prevalence relative to other subgroups.

I've been doing some reading about impaired airline pilots, because I may have a chance to help with some neuropsych testing of alcohol/drug addicted, TBI, training/performance failure, and HIV seropostive pilots. (comforting, I know, put all the pilots in rehab in time for holiday travel).

We probably don't know enough yet about the personality and psychological characteristics of polygraph examiners. We know more of pilots and police officers. For example, we know that police applicants tend to have high 5 m/f scales on MMPIs, high enough that we'd be suspicious in others. However, because more than 60% of police have a high 5 scales, interpretations of elevations of that scale are difficult.

Similarly, validity indices for MMPIs of pilots are trouble, because they tend to deny psychological concerns, and present themselves in what looks like an overly favorable manner. But because a generally elevated proportion do that, interpretation of results for individual from that subgroup is unsound, unless using normative data that are stratified for pilots. Same with certain types of attentional and neuromotor skills.

It would be interesting to see some psychological batteries of examiners.

I had a funny experience the other day with some Rhorschach (inkblot) cards.

Anyway, just as there is with prison guards and pilots, there are identifiable progressions through which people in certain roles become compromised, cynical at risk for ethical breeches, vulnerable to exploitation, or even at risk for relationship failure, addiction/compulsivity, or self harm.

Correlations and causality as sometimes counterintuitive. We've all heard about suicide rates among some police populations, and psychiatrists (and doctors) seem to have among the highest rates. Divorce rates are elevated among psychotherapists. Some professionals report high levels of isolation. Years of education are positively correlated with divorce, and the massive general social survey has shown that more years of education has tended to be associated with more hours at work each week - not less, as is generally thought of as a reason for gaining more education.

Lots of good questions though.

r

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Barry C
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posted 10-29-2007 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
I await some good answers...

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stat
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posted 10-30-2007 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat     Edit/Delete Message

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rnelson
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posted 10-30-2007 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
Kinda angsty.

I for one, have achieve perfect balance between work and personal life.

OK everyone, put your polygraph gear away - I was lying.

I've been too busy to finish my trebuchet in time to lob pumpkins into the lake this past weekend. Imagine my jealousy and some guy with a big-arsed air-cannon who nearly cleared the lake. All I've got is a pile of parts and a bright idea. Maybe next year.


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All the personal stuff does not make one turn against polygraph or anything else.

No matter how much any of us don't love everything about the polygraph test or the polygraph biz, there is always an individual choice trying to make a productive change or improvement and becoming disruptive or antagonistic. The choice each person makes is really more about themselves. In short, if you believe people inherently good, then they make evil choices out of anger, resentment, fear. If you think people inherently evil then making disruptive and harmful choices is simply a matter of giving up, or unbridled selfishness.

r

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Taylor
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posted 10-30-2007 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
Stat, damn man you are depressing me. We have to have a better outlook on life. I think all that activity on AP is having an affect on you....can you say 'I have been surrounded by negativity for months.' I know it had an affect on me and I am kind glad to be out of it. Just think, you have wonderful kids and now you can get back into your music.

As for voyeruistic parts of PCSOT - I don't enjoy it. But I can't act like I want to throw up when I hear their deviancies. I will admit, many years ago, when I was a Sup at a Halfway House for Parolees, they had a great impact on my life....I will never look at apples and oranges again the same way I did before supervising sex offenders...don't ask. Retirement is great. I get a 'restitution'(lol) check every month and can work in polys as much or as little as I want. Although I don't feel like I am retired, I am not holding the cases inside like I did before retiring.

You have to have enjoyment along with the polys. When I started I was told to reduce stress w/excercise (didn't really listen to that part) and find enjoyment. I bought a Harley and took off. When ever I want to clear my head - I go for a ride!

So unless you are doing a research project lets not get so damn'd depressed. Put some points here to lighten us up a bit. Lets get back to bikes with weapons of mass destruction mounted on the forks. Taylor

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